Required Preparation for Session #1 ::

• Lectures on DS/SvS/SaS by Shri Suvidyendra Teertha Swamiji on Madhva Radio
• Lecture 1 (Datta Svatantrya Sandhi begins at minute 9:30 in audio player)
• Lecture 2
• Lecture 3
• Lecture 4
• Lecture 5

Note: 

• Shri Harikathamrutasara lectures by Shri Suvidyendra Teertha Swamiji are available on MadhvaRadio.org.  Please login and click on "Discourse on Sri HarikathamrutasAra By HH Sri 1008 Sri Suvidyendra Tirtha Swamiji" to listen to next set of lectures on Sarva Svatantrya Sandhi in particular and other Sandhi's in general. 
• For the benefit of listeners and for their easy access, we are providing links of lectures from Madhva Radio here.  SVBM is greatly indebted to Madhva Radio team

• Lectures on JK & Karma:by Shri Sanjeeva Murthy Dasaru on Madhva Radio
• Lecture 1 (Lectures of Shri Sanjeeva Murthy Dasaru starts at 1:15:48 in Lecture 1 audio player.  For 1 hr 15 mts, we find the lecture of Shri Vyasanakere Prabhanjanacharya)
• Lecture 2
• Lecture 3
• Lecture 4
• Lecture 5

• Lectures on JK by Shri Hari Narayana Vittala Dasa 
• Lecture 1
• Lecture 2
• Lecture 3  

      Brief Introduction to Jiva Kartrutva & Datta Svatantrya:

• There are only 2 tatvas in the universe : svatantra & asvatantra (svatantram asvatantram cha dvividham tatvamiShyatE - tatva sankhyAna)
• Shri Hari alone is svatantra tatva and all others including His consort Maha Lakshmi belong to asvatantra tatva (svatantrO bhagavAn viShNu: - tatva sankhyAna)
• Asvatantra tatva's
• Maha Lakshmi (aKShara)
• Jiva's (mukta's-amukta's-asRujya's)
• Jada
• Kartrutva is defined as combination of Jnana, Ichcha and Kriya shakti
• Shri Hari alone is svatantra karta
• sahi sarvasya kartA - He alone is karta
• tEna vinA tRuNamapi na chalati - Without Him even a blade of grass cannot move
• kartRutvam prati svAtantryam - The one who is Self-dependent (svatantra) is the karta
• None of the above attributes apply to Maha Lakshmi, Jiva or Jada.  Hence they are not Self-dependent (svatantra) karta's
• Kriya is an activity and Kriya Shakti is ability to do an activity.  An object where Kriya is found is termed Kartru
• Jada has Kriya but it does not have Kriya Shakti.  Hence Jada is also referred as Kartru (Parama amukya kartRu - This kriya is not worthy of mentioning).
• A jIva has Jnana, Ichcha and Kriya shakti inherently from anadi.  jIva svarUpa/jIva svabhAva/svarUpa Deha all refer to jIva.  Since jIva has Kriya shakti, Jiva is also referred as Kartru
• Jnana, Ichcha and Kriya Shakti of Jiva are totally dependent on Shri Hari.  Hence Jiva's Kartrutva is considered as Paradhina Kartrutva
• pratibiMba kriyAyA: biMba kriyAnusyUtatA - yadAshnAti tadAshnAti yadA vakti tadaiva sa: - kimatra bahunOktEna nA akRutaM kriyatE janai: (shAndilya tatva) - The kriya (activity) of pratibimba is as per (anusyUtata) bimba kriya.  If bimba eats, pratibimba eats: If bimba talks, pratibimba talks:  What more, pratibimba cannot do anything which bimba does not do
• There are Shastra Vakyas where jIva is referred as akartRu.  Jiva is so much dependent on Shri Hari that the kartRutva of jIva is highly insignificant - to such an extent that jIva is referred as akartRu (Similar to Jada, this Kriya is not worthy of mentioning - But interestingly Jiva is not Jada)
• In scriptures like Shri Vishnu Rahasya, Suladis of Shri Vijaya Dasa & Shri Harikathamrutasara (Datta svAtantraya Sandhi) there are references of Shri Hari distributing His gunas (qualities) to jIvas.  If one dives deeper into the subject, one gets to know the following:
• "mayaiva dattaM svAtantryam kEvalEShvapi karmasu - tAvanmAtrENa sammugdhA: svAtantryaM manyatE nijam - svAtantryE apahRutE pashchAjjAnaMti paratantratAM (shAndilya tatva) " - I (Shri Hari) have given svAtantrya to Jiva's to perform karma (activity/action).  Just because of this, Jiva thinks performing action/activity is his self-dependent capability.  If I take back the given svAtantrya then Jiva gets to know his/her dependence
• What does it mean by Shri Hari giving His svAtantrya?
• Shri Hari’s guNas = Shri Hari’s rUpas = Shri Hari’s avayavas = Shri Hari’s Ayudha’s, etc. – “guNa guNiyor abhedha:” 
• Shri Hari’s 1 guNa = Shri Hari’s 100 guNa’s = Shri Hari’s 10000 guNa’s = Shri Hari’s ananta guNa
• Infinity + infinity = infinity; infinity – infinity = infinity; infinity/infinity = infinity’ infinity*infinity = infinity.  “pUrNa mada pUrNa midam…..”
• A single guNa of Shri Hari is capable of performing all that what ananta guNa’s of Shri Hari will be capable of
• Shri Hari will not lend His guNa’s to Maha Lakshmi or any jIva.  If you claim this then we are no better than mAyAvAdis
• "datta svAtantrya nAmnA vai harErIshEna sarvadA - prErita: karma kurvANO na mE shakti: kaThaMchana - prakAsha saMhita" - Shri Hari, who is Isha, with His datta svAtantrya Rupa is making me do all the activities - There is absolutely no involvement of my shakti
• "tatra tatra sthitO viShNu: tattatchchaktI: prabOdhayan - Eka Eva mahA shakti: kurutE sarva maMjasA - sUtra bhaShya" - Shri Hari being in each object  (Maha Lakshmi, Jiva, Jada) stimulates the power (shakti) of each.  He alone is maha shakti (super power)
• "kartRutvam karaNatvam cha svabhAvashchEtanA dhruti: - yatprasAdAdimE saMti na saMti yadupEkShayA" -
• tathA cha svAtantrya dAnaM nAma tadrUpENa jIva pravEsha: - svagata svAtanrya datta svAtantrya rUpa dvayaM harErEva - chalAri AchArya" - 'svAtantrya dAna' means Shri Hari entering into Jiva with that (svAtantrya) Rupa.  svagata svAtantrya & datta svAtantrya Rupa's are 2 Rupa's of Shri Hari
• datta svAtantrya, svagata svAtantrya & sarva svAtantrya are guNa’s of Shri Hari similar to infinite guNa-rUpa of His with which He enters into jIva during sRuShti kAla to carry out sAdhana on behalf of jIva.

datta svAtantrya guNa (As per Shri Harikathamrutasara vyAkhyAna of Shri SankarShana Wodeya Swamiji & tatvasuvvali vyAkhyAna of Shri Davanagere Bheema Rayaru):

• Shri Hari from His infinite datta svAtantrya guNas picked up 400 guNas.
• Following table shows the count of datta svAtantrya guNas with which Shri Hari entered into Maha Lakshmi & Jivas.

S.No.	In Whom	No. of Gunas
1.	Kept to Himself	132.75
2.	Lakshmi	67.25
3.	Brahma	52
4.	Vayu	48
5.	Rudra	20
6.	Indra/Kama	15
7.	Tatvabhimani Devata's	10
8.	Satvika Jiva's	10
9.	Rajo & Tamo Jivas	45
	Total	400

Note:

• Count of 400 & its distribution (please read it as Shri Hari's pravesha) is just a numeric number to explain the concept
• Since Shri Hari entered Brahma with 52 guNas, it does not mean that Shri Hari requires 4 extra guNa's compared to what He requires for vAyu to perform activity in Brahma.  As already explained, Shri’s single guNa is capable of performing all the kAryas in this universe.  The count only shows the yOgyata of the jIva and in no way demean the capabilities of Shri Hari.  The numerology also explains the yOgyata of Jiva's.
• Few intersting points to be noted from above table:
• Ruju's after Vayu (198 in total starting from lAtavya to Ruju Devata 1 who are already in sAdhana stage), garuDa, shESha and all the garuDa/shESha yogyata jIvas who are already in sAdhana stage (few tatvavAda thinkers say there will be 100 such garuDa/shESha yogyata jIvas and few others claim the count to be 80) except Rudra since Rudra is already covered in the above list, indra/kAma yogyata jIvas who are already in sAdhana stage (count of 20 for indra & kAma excluding indra & kAma since they are covered in the above table) are not mentioned in the above list.  So does that mean they can perform activities independent of Shri Hari's datta/svagata/sarva svAtantrya Rupas?  Absolutely NO.  The numbers above are just 'sAnkEtika'.  Shri Hari during sRuShti enters each jIva that has come into existence with His svAtantrya Rupas to activate the Jnana, Ichcha, Kriya Shakti of Jiva.  Without Him, jIva on its own cannot do anything.
• vAyu pada jIva occupies Brahma pada in next Brahma kalpa.  As such there is no yOgyata difference between Brahma pada jIva & vAyu pada jIva.  But the above table shows a difference of 4 guNas.  Once again this difference is to show biMba darshana tArataMya.  vAyu pada jIva's Jnana, Bhakti & other guNas are exactly similar to that of Brahma pada jIva but there is tArataMya in biMba darshana.  Brahma will have little more clarity than vAyu ("j~jAna bhaktyAdyakhiLa guNa chaturAnananoLippaMte mukhya prANanali chiMtipudu, yatkiMchit koreteyAgi" - Shri Jagannatha Dasaru - AparOxa tArataMya Sandhi - Padya 37 - Shri Harikathamrutasara).  To show this difference due to 1 extra kalpa sAdhana of Brahma, Brahma has 4 extra guNas than vAyu.
• As per Shri Suvidyendra Teertha Swamiji's lecture, the above count can also be considered as sannidhAna of Shri Hari in all the asvatantra's.  Shri Hari's sannidhana is more in Lakshmi, followed by Brahma, vAyu, etc. 

svagata svAtantrya guNa (As per Shri Harikathamrutasara vyAkhyAna of Shri SankarShana Wodeya Swamiji & tatvasuvvali vyAkhyAna of Shri Davanagere Bheema Rayaru):

• Shri Hari from His 132.75 datta svAtantrya guNas picked up 1 guNa (this guNa is called svagata), divided it into 4 parts, then further dividied these 4 guNas into 10 parts each taking the total count to 40.
• "svataMtrOpi hari: sRuShtau svasvAtaMtryaM anEkadhA - vibhajyAdAnnaRupa iva sarva kAryEShu lIlayA" - viShNu rahasya
• "svasvAtantryaM chaturthAMshaM dashadhA vyabhajaddhari: - pAdOnapaMchakaM prANE sapAdaM braHmaNE dadau" -  viShNu rahasya
• Following table shows the count of svagata svAtantrya guNas with which Shri Hari entered into Maha Lakshmi & Jiva

S.No.	In Whom	No. of Gunas
1.	Kept to Himself	13.275
2.	Lakshmi	6.725
3.	Brahma	5.25
4.	Vayu	4.75
5.	Rudra	2
6.	Indra/Kama	1.5
7.	Tatvabhimani Devata's	1
8.	Satvika Jiva's	1
9.	Rajo & Tamo Jivas	4.5
	Total	40

Note:

• The details provided under 'Note"' of datta svAtantrya section also applies here

Week 1: 29th March, 2008 ::

The 1st session was a great success as there was an enthusiastic crowd (with around 12 in person and 4 on the phone). We were blessed to have Anand Krishnan's uncle on site who has been a staunch follower of Shrimad Acharyaru & has read cover-to-cover all books of Shri BNK Sharma.

As per the plan, Prasanna Krishna went over 2 padyas from Tatvasuvvali through the Vyakhyana of Shri Davanagere Bheema RaoJi:
 

bAhiraMtaradalli dEhAbhimAnigaLu - nI hELidaMte naDisOru | naDisOru nuDisOru - drOhakke enna gurimALpe || 162 ||

• dEhAbhimAnigaLu - Those who have abhimAna in prAkRuta dEha, i.e. tatvAbhimAni dEvatas
• bAhiraMtaradalli - Through paMcha j~jAnEMdriya, paMcha karmEMdriya & antah: karaNas (manas & others)
• nI hELidaMte - As told by you
• naDisOru - they will make me do 
• nuDisOru - they will make me talk
• enna - me (one who did as you made me do through tatvAbhimAni dEvatas)
• drOhakke gurimALpe - you entangle me with karma (karma bandha)

As instructed by You, tatvAbhimAni dEvatas are doing the activities through me without my involvement.  This being the case, you entangle me with karma phala

elli Ishatva mattallihudu kartRutva - hullu manujarige kartRutva | kartRutvaveMbudu - ellihudu baride apavAda || 240 ||

• elli Ishatva - Where there is Ishatva (svAtantrya, svatantra niyAmakatva Dharma)
• matte alli ihudu kartRutva - Only there exists kartRutva
• hullu manujarige - Incapable humans (referred to jIva's who are asvatantra's)
• kartRutvavu eMbudu ellihudu - Where is kartRutva for such jIva's? (It is not there)
• baride apavAda - Its just a wrong perception

As mentioned in pANini sutras "kartRutvam prati svAtantryam" - "svatantra: kartA", a person who is self-dependent (svatantra) will only have kartRutva, others wouldn't have.  Shri Hari alone is svatantra and all others are asvatantras.  Hence claiming kartRutva in jIvas is a wrong perception/thinking.

During the 1st session, VRP had a question as to "whether jaDa can be considered a kartRu". The simple answer to that is "yes" but it’s not very easy to perceive it.  Shri Bannanje Govindacharya explains this concept beautifully taking the example of a cow's udder (jada).  He poses the question of "where does milk come from?" and provides a 3-fold answer: 

• It comes from the udder and since this has an action associated with it, you could say a jaDa is kartRu. But we all know it's absurd since it alone cannot do anything (Shri Acharya calls it parama amukhya  kartRu)
• If you take it to next level, one would say it's not the udder but it's the cow providing the milk. This makes worldly sense but not true in tatvavAda (Shri Acharya calls it amukhya kartRu)
• Finally, he says that Shri Hari presiding within the cow is doing the job and only HE holds complete control and He alone is REAL kartRu

Lecture of Shri Bannanje Govindacharya extracted from Geetha Chintana

Note: SVBM is greatly indebted to Shri Bannaje Govindacharya & creators of that audio recording.

Required Preparation for session #2

We will be talking about DS (Datta Svatantra), SWS (Swagatha Svatantra) & SAS (Sarvatantra Svatantra).

Week 2: 5th April, 2008 ::

Please click here to listen to Session 2

During the evening session, few questions were asked.  Prasanna Krishna answered them to the best of his ability and suggested that the answers be validated from correct sources.

Question 1 (From Srikanth): When will Shri Hari in the form of datta, svagata, sarva svatantrya rupa's enter Jiva?  Is it when Jiva is brought from asRujya to sRujya or during SruShti.

Answer (From Prasanna): Probably it is during SruShti (i.e. when Vayu pada Jiva gets to Brahma pada).  Let us consider a Jiva 'X' who has 10 Brahma Kalpa Sadhana.  When this Jiva is brought out of asRujya into sRujya (Kalpa 1 Sadhana), Shri Hari in His 3 forms enter 'X'.  During Pralaya, except for Jiva's Svarupa-gata-Bimba, all other Rupas of Shri Hari like Rama, Krishna, Narasimha, etc. including the dattta/svagata/sarva must merge with Moola Rupa.  Again during the SruShti, Shri Hari takes Ananta Rupa's and at that time once again Shri Hari with His 3 forms enter 'X' (Kalpa 2 Sadhana of Jiva 'X').

Clarifications to be sought from learned members/scholars.  Further questions like what about Shri Hari Rupa's in Linga Deha?

Question 2 (From Srikanth): During SruShti, is the Jiva necessarily brought from asRujya to sRujya?

Answer (From Prasanna): Not really.  A Jiva having more than 1 Kalpa Sadhana will come to SruShti those many times.  Start of Brahma's first year is termed SruShti and completion of Brahma's life span is termed Laya.  Some say Laya starts around Brahma's 75th year and some say Laya starts after Brahma's 100 years.  Keeping that aside, during Laya, all the Jiva's (Muktas, those in asRujya, those who are yet to complete their Sadhana, etc) enter Shri Narayana's Udara.  During SruShti, Shri Narayana will

• get those who already were out from asRujya (already bound by Linga Deha) in previous Brahma Kalpas for their further Sadhana and
• get a bunch of Jiva's who are yet to start their Sadhana (from asRujya to sRujya through Linga Deha upachaya)

Question 3 (From Balu): Term Laya cannot be used for Shri Hari.  The point came up when Prasanna at one point while explaining about Laya mentioned 'Laya' instead of 'aikya' for Shri Narayana's Rupas.

Answer (From Prasanna):  Prasanna argued that it can be mentioned but later during self analysis felt it probably should not be used.  The correct sentence could be 'Shri Hari's Ananta Rupa's get merged into Moola Rupa during Laya'.  Need to get clarifications from learned members/scholars.

Question 4 (From Mohan): Does Shri Hari enter into Jiva with His 3 forms only when a Jiva gets Human birth?

Answer (From Prasanna): No.  Shri Hari's Rupa enter a Jiva during SruShti since Shri Hari in those 3 forms (and many other forms too) is doing Sadhana on behalf of Jiva (mAdhavane mannAma dharisi mADuve sAdhanava - Shri Jayesha Vittala Dasaru).  Sadhana is not just restricted to Human being.  Sadhana is a way of buring karma and this happens during any birth.  Also any activity found in any species is because of Shri Hari's different forms.

Question 5 (General): What is Kartrutva?

Answer (From Prasanna): Kartrutva does not just refer to kriya shakti.  It is the combination of Jnana, Ichcha & Kriya Shakti.

Question 6 (General) What is the difference between Kriya & Kriya Shakti?

Answer (From Prasanna): Kriya is an activity and Kriya Shakti is ability to do an activity.  A object where there is Kriya is considered kartRu.  In this perspective, jaDa also can be termed as kartRu

Question 7 (Harish): The phrase 'yadA snAti tadA snAti' is from which grantha?

Answer (From Prasanna): Shandilya Tatva

Question 8: It is said that a Jiva in Mukti can take any form (though Jiva belongs to a specific Species)?  Is it because of Shri Hari.

Answer (From Prasanna):  Absolutely yes.  Jiva's parAdhInatva is anAdi & nitya.

Question 9: What kind of SruShti does Tatvavada preach (Evolution or Instant)?

Answer (From Prasanna): Evolution

During the session, while discussing about the role of Jiva in SruShti, Prasanna referred to a padya from 'bimbAparOkSha' or 'bimba-pratibimba" sandhi from Shri Harikathamrutasara:

"mukta biMbanu turiya, jIvanmukta biMbanu vishva, shruti (bhava) saMsakta biMbanu taijasanu, asRujyarige prAj~na ...... "  - Padya 1

A jIva with Sthula Deha can have 4 stages:

• jAgara (awaken state)
• svapna (dream state)
• suShupti (deep sleep state - bliss)
• turiya (bliss with knowledge - samAdhi - which can be attained through sAdhana)

The above 4 applies to Sthula Deha.  From svarUpa Deha pespective too, there are 4 states.  This is what Shri Jagannatha Dasaru explains in the above padya:

• the biMba of mukta's is known as turiya (bliss with knowledge)
• the biMba of jIvanmukta's (those who came into sRuShti, had their aparOkSha, completed their prArabdha & waiting to get to mukti - In the waiting room till Brahma gets them do viraja snAna) is known as vishva (awaken state)
• the biMba of bhava saMsakta's is known as taijasa (dream state)
• the biMba of asRujya jIva's is known as prAj~na (deep sleep state)

This explains the following:

• Entire sRuShti (excluding jIvanmukta stage) is svapnAvasta for jIva
• During svapnAvasta only Manas will be active and all other indriyas will be inactive. 
• jIva's svarUpEndriya's are not active during this stage (sRuShti stage).  
• The way dreams (svapna) are not under our control (as we know through our experience), the activities that happen through jaDa Deha during sRuShti are not under jIva's control
• Jiva is just an observer of the happenings the way we observe in our dreams